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Am I streaming


 

 

Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on May 15, 2014

Re: Sad Town

Demoted to Gold V, but not sad about it.  I failed my Gold 3 promos several times before dropping, so I'm thinking maybe dropping back down while learning the other roles better isn't so bad.  I didn't have a chance get to Plat unless I could play Support every game, but that was still a maybe and Support isn't that easy to get every game especially if you're not duo queuing.

 

Re: Bad Jax

That sounds very frustrating.  I was picturing a different scenario, sorry.

 

Re: WW Bans

He's easy to play at our level, and some of his popular counters like Lulu seem to have fallen out of vogue.  Can't think of too many people I'd rather not face..

on May 15, 2014

aw well... series lost.  Had 2 people on the team being absolute terrible trolls.  Should have been a really easy win... awful teemo top - just really low level play and jerks.  ah well. 

on May 15, 2014


Am I streaming? 


 

Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:


For anyone that is level 30 with an account in good standing, you can participate in the tribunal.  This is a system that was setup by riot to allow the community to police their own. Check it out here:  http://na.leagueoflegends.com/Tribunal
You can view players stats here:  http://www.lolking.net.  If they are in a game, you can check out those stats here:  http://www.lolnexus.com/
Good site for builds:  www.probuilds.net and www.lolking.net
You can unlock alistar and his unchained skin for free by following Riot games on youtube here:  http://youtube.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/youtube#.

 New Player tips


Play the tutorial.
Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info


I play on several accounts - my main is pacov.
I stream most nights between 8PM-11PM EST here:  http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1
I created quite a few short clip vids with in game voice chat, etc over here:  http://www.youtube.com/user/LeagueOfPacov/videos?flow=grid&view=0. 

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo


k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 



Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 04/10/2014


blackhathedgehog - gold I
Brad wong - unranked
bryff - gold V
danKnee - platinum II
dynamo sexy (thundercles) - Silver II
krazikarl - plat V
thegameofthrows - Diamond V
The Swan Is Back - silver III
pacov - silver I

zen_god - platinum II

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

pacov in the name of the old times is miss some names here mine darkliath i know we play in EUWEST but.....

 

on May 15, 2014

going to sleep now i wanna see that tomorrow or ask our sumoner names but if you search in the post you have my 3 acc and darkliath to , finally i sleep now after almost 3 years i can sleep again see you tomorrow friends

on May 22, 2014

Back in town soon.  Been watching wingsofdeath on twitch tonight.  doubt I will be on tonight but hopefully catch folks tomorrow 

on May 24, 2014

back in promo series. 

on May 24, 2014

So, out of all the games I've ever played, I've encountered exactly 1 person in a ranked game that I've been super impressed with.  I feel like this is the smurf of some high elo player.  Did a quick search but found nothing.  http://web2.betkill.com/summoner/na/37489853#profile

This guy was like 4v1ing the enemy team while everyone on my team (including myself) was absolute crap.  100% won the game because of this guy.  It wasn't like 1 or 2 times he wrecked the enemy team himself... was like 4-5 times in a 33 min game.  Guy went 20/2/7 my game as riven and then 17/0/4 previous game as nid.  He's positive in every single ranked game.  Anyway, anyone know this smurf?  fallindancer

on May 24, 2014

I don't see myself as anything more than a Gold level player and would consider solo lanes to be a weak area for me in this game.  Even so, my last two ranked games on my Smurf account had me going 17/5/9 with LB and 11/3/10 with Riven.  I'm pretty out of practice with Riven but used to play her regularly, but LeBlanc is a high skill champion who I've barely ever played.

So my point is, maybe you played with Falling Bandit while he was on his smurf account or maybe you played with a Platinum smurf who went against a weak player playing a weak champion with a weak match-up and got fed while playing a notorious snowballer.  And then had the rest of the enemy team honorably try and 1v1 them until they were so fed that they could 1v4.

on May 24, 2014

Actually, it was fallenbandit's smurf.  Thanks!  Did a little searching and yesterday he had a bunch of games played on his main, then switched to his alt (the one I encountered), then switched back to his main.  The time stamps line up perfectly, so really good odds it was him.

How he played stood out, sure, but you are absolutely right - a weak lane can certainly result in great stats and carrying.  BUT - what really caught my eye was the consistently high KDA he was getting throughout his game history on his alt.  That made me think this must be a really high elo player smurf.  Guy was challenger in season 3 and diamond 1 now on his main. 

on May 24, 2014

Braum's getting whacked with the nerf bat - early/mid anyway:  Braum

  • Winter's Bite (Q) damage lowered to 60/110/160/210/260 from 80/125/170/215/260
  • Stand Behind Me (W) flat bonus armor and magic resist lowered to 10/15/20/25/30 from 20/22.5/25/27.5/30.
  • Stand Behind Me (W) bonus % of Braum's bonus armor/MR granted lowered to 12/14/16/18/20% from 14/15.5/17/18.5/20%
on May 25, 2014

Well, lost another promo series.  Went 2/3.  Felt like i had a some really stand out plays in most of the games, though.  Feeling like I'm doing much better as adc and am rotating back into that again.  Anyway, my ranked 5's team should be playing Sunday at 7PM EST - hopefully we get some reps in. 

on May 26, 2014

finally had a 12 win arena run in hearthstone! WOOO

on May 27, 2014

back in promo series 1/0 - best of 3.  So.... we'll see if I can actually win 2 more games this time. 

on May 27, 2014

Also... seriously... buried in email after being out a week.  Ugh.  Get to spend most of my day getting organized again. 

 

So, thing I need to work on in LoL - knowing what to do late game.  I'm not grouping when I should be and too often am splitting as characters like shaco.  I guess I'm trying to figure out the correct place for a champ like shaco going the build I am (assassin dmg with strong split push).  Shaco is really good for split pushing and killing most single targets if only 1 is sent to stop him.  This typically means you can pull 2 which should result in added pressure elsewhere.... BUT, I'm not seeing the right time to group while I'm doing this split pushing.  Karl, for 1, seemed to have seen a very specific moment in one of my ranked shaco games where I split when he thought I should have been mid to try to grab an inhib.  Like I said - having trouble figuring out where to be.

 

 

on May 27, 2014

Found a post on the forums that matches what my feelings on Shaco:

You require precise and unique runes and masteries specifically for him.
You need a strong team comp and good coordination with teammates you can trust and have understanding of Shaco's mechanics.
You need to plot and plan your jungle routes, ganks, and all sorts of possibilities on what could go wrong and how to repremend that before the match starts.
You must identify and learn your ganks, jungle matchups, counterjungling strategies, and when and when not to gank.
You need the proper item builds depending on the situation and they must be gotten in an exact timeframe.
To be good at Shaco requires maximum dedication and attentiveness to him, plus the right mindset. 
Mess it up once? Fall off forever. He does not offer room for mistakes or errors. 

Once you get good at him however he offers a fun and chaotic unique style of play unmatched by any champion. The learning curve is long and tough, however when you get him down you are on top of the world.

So it doesn't really seem strange to me that you haven't mastered one of the toughest champs to play in 5 games.  I'm very surprised you'd play any champ that you just started learning to play on your ranked team, much less one as hard to master as Shaco.

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