Just play him mid. He is very strong there. I don't think he should be played bit at all.

Bot*

Shaco Jungle is back boys.

brand pretty strong atm support or mid -stronger than before anyway

quinn - 1 - super fun to be in bird form and have homeguard.  You get to the middle of the map in about 2.5 seconds.  Feels mostly just like normal quinn.  Valor buff being an instant mark is helpful, but its buggy.  Instant means you need any aa's in progress don't proc it as it appears. Any attack that you queue up instantly after it appears or starts to appear seem to proc.  Kind of weak imo.  

mf's passive reminds me so much of dravens old passive - lots of extra power.

INCORRECT.

Hey thunder - question for you.  

I know you have attack move click bound to your left mouse button.  Is your setup that + right mouse = movement?

Is there any difference between holding down shift and clicking and what you have setup on your mouse?

Nice table

Quinn not proc'ing her passive mid-air has always been a design intention... ever since she was released. When she attacks a marked target, she gets a buff. The passive not trigging mid-air does have the "benefit" of it not NOT trigging if you already begun your attack and it falls off mid-flight. There just used to be about a 1/4th second where Valor would have a small "mark" animation where you wouldn't be able to trigger your passive, even with a new autoattack.

We have the same setup... but right-click is whatever the normal right-click is. Sometimes you have to shift+left or middle-click to click the minimap or the store though.

This.  I'm using Shift-Left to fulfill the role of the old Left Click.  You only have to do it on some things like the mini-map where Attack Move Click is a valid command.  Everywhere else like when you're in the shop, Left Click works how it should.

This confuses me, so I'll reiterate and hopefully you'll try again

Let's talk about the normal setup (eg not what you use).  Is shift right click the same as what you have your left mouse bound to?  Eg the only difference between you and me is you left click, I hold shift and right click.  That right?

Also, super great news.  Nightblue was going on quite a bit today about how kindred is in the top 3 junglers now easily.  I watched as he, simply having warrior, was decimating the enemy team including a top lane tahm kench at full hp. 

Also, I didn't follow exactly but he had some sort of pot that he was raving about that made it so he never had to go back to base - think it was mana giving related.  He ran skirmishers w/ warrior.

Anyway, buhbuhban.

I would assume it's the hunter's potion, which gives 60/35 health/mana and refuels charges with monster camp kills.  It's the only positive out there for jungle itemization, but you're falling way behind if you're playing a champ that doesn't need to buy half a dozen potions to make the jungle work anyway.

looks like a patch just went out.  maybe that hotfix.

phantom dancer live again

I think that's the default but I don't know for sure.  Haven't played with having to press A or Shift to Attack Move Click in a really long time.

fyi

"To emphasize something Stashu touched on, this change still needs to go through testing before we can release it (hopefully) next week. You'll notice a smallish patch rolling out some time overnight -- we're shipping a few bugfixes (some, like Shyvana, are actually live already but we're waiting to finish all of em before messaging). This Warlord's Bloodlust change is not a part of tonight's updates."

Keep in mind, trynd/yasuo bans still need to happen.

AT&T peering agreement done and implemented already.  live now. 

Hey coral - you have any tips or thoughts on the best way to approach the jungle now?  

Karl, Pacov's new favorite jungler is Dr. Mundo according to Champion.GG.  Just jot down anything Mundo related you know about this preseason's jungle and that should be good.