Especially nunu.

The adults are talking about perceived advantages based deviations and the value of analyzing those things.  Only poppy is OP all the time though. 

Also, SION TODAY - I suspect he will be OP.  Karl, you should absolutely try sion jungle.  Really fun to use... also when he starts charging, everyone on the map hears it.  Delightful.

Grats on PLAT!

Ty bud.  Hopefully can get some games in with you guys soon and that legendary poppy+nunu duo lane

OOOOoooooooooooooooooooo plat swan!

Re: Plat Swan

CONGRATS!!!

Re: Picking What You Love vs Trying To Pick Secret OP

Let's be fair, Pacov's Ranked record with Nunu speaks for itself and the champ is one of a kind in a jungle that's had almost nothing but DPS all season.  Dah Meta can shift which makes champs get better or worse without any changes.

But...

Nunu is a champ Pacov used to play and one that's not too mechanically difficult to pick back up again.  I don't see a 7-1 record with Lee Sin that was taken advantage of before he was nerfed, y'know what I mean?  Also, Pacov was Plat last season so seeing what got him back there after he got "fugged" in placements and put into Silver isn't much use to me. As someone who is pretty much stuck where I was last season, I'd be much more interested to see what champion pick strats he uses to get to Diamond.

In other words... how did you do it Swan?  Help me improve my ranking... I am ready for your wisdom.

Usually the burden of proof is on the person who is making the conjecture, not the person who disagrees with it. Changing your platform to a bunch of generally-truisms wasn't what you were originally arguing before. Everyone is going to agree that PBW champs are typically stronger than normal, and it's always good to get on top of the bandwagon a few weeks before everyone else does. That's just common sense. We were contesting your actual, specific examples.

If you really want to be "nerdy" about it, you need to do something other than opening up LoLKing and sorting by Win Rate. You should be taking notes in your own spreadsheet. For champs that you don't play often, you should be taking note of why you won/lost. When you play Nunu do you just happen to get consistently lucky with matchmaking and your team just autowins every lane every time? Or was Nunu's unique strengths and powercurve exactly what you needed in order to win that game?

a.  I didn't duo

b. when i play solo i don't talk to my teammates... 'cause people tend to be overemotional about this game

c.  don't support ever. 

d. don't pick lee sin because apparently gold players don't know that he'd much rather w back to you than die

e. overall don't rely on any of your teammates ever, just carry as hard as you can and pray

EDIT: Also drink Soda Shaq... the only drink for champions.

Its actually a bit stronger than this.

He is claiming the existence of specific statistical trends in Nunu.  I claim that they don't exist.  He is then asking me to prove the non-existence of such things.  In general, proving the non-existence of things is logically impossible:

http://www.logicallyfallacious.com/index.php/logical-fallacies/146-proving-non-existence

Anyway, the main point is that a lot is being made about changes of 2-3% in win rates.  But, the day to day fluctuations in a champion's win rates tend to be about 2-3%.  Now, this doesn't mean that you can't distinguish a real, systematic change of 2-3% from noise, but if you are trying to do such a thing on short time scales, you should know a bit of statistics.

I'm kind of a crappy statistician, but if I were writing a program to do this, I would take data from the last n days, compare it to some baseline data (say the last n+m days) via some kind of location test.  Maybe a Kruskal-Wallis test, but I'm not sure if thats the right location test to use here.  But that should tell you if the last n days are statistically different than the baseline.  If you had access to the data and a reasonable language like R or a program like Mathematica, you could probably write the program in about 5-10 minutes.  Then you'd be finding things as quickly as possible and people like me wouldn't be telling you that you were imagining things.

EDIT - Mathematica seems to automatically like Student's t-test more than Kruskal-Wallis here.  Whatever.

yo mamma. 

heh. Sweet nerd crackers, batman.  I'm fine with imagining things.  I know I'm being a little bit of a putz here, but I don't really care to research the timing of my outlandish claims or develop mathmatical jabloney (I made up that word).  It's ok - totally fine with you not believing me. Don't really care.  Just talkin.

When you're talking about researching trends and win % as something that's fun for you, that's great and more power to you.  We all have our different ways of having fun in that way.  Some people like to specialize or "main" one champ and play that champ every chance they get, some people specialize in a role and try and learn every champ they might need in every possible situation, some like to be prepared to fill in best they can, some like to play only their pet champs that they like to play, so on and so on.

The thing is though, when you're the type of person who has strong feelings about what champs other people should or should not be playing... well, when you bring up your thought process between how the optimal way to choose what champions to play is, the logic behind your thinking is going to be discussed more than easygoing people who don't care what their allies play.

@ Swan

I've been doing it all wrong.  Like... all of it.

- I've played Support a lot this season.  And most of the time I've played LoL, I've been a Support main.

- I've Duo'd quite a bit.  My current Duo partner likes to play Tankmo Top.  (sigh)

- Lee Sin used to be one of my main Junglers.

- I get sucked into arguments with trolls easily.

- I have no access to Shaq Soda. 

I'm going to be forever Gold...

Here you go thunder:  http://www.drinkarizona.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=794

Also this:

• Dana answered 7 months ago

Thanks Pacov, but the shipping charges for $3 worth of soda is apparently $50.

My strawberry cream flavored dreams of getting to Plat are as good as dead... even Shaq can't help me.

Pm me an address and I will guarantee you will never lose another game due to beverage choice.

I'm embarrassed you are even considering not paying $50 for shipping.  Not all that serious about the game apparently. 

Idea - Buy about 400 cans.  Hit challenger.  Open a store that sells ONLY shaq soda advertising that you are the challenger player Thundercleese and this is how you hit challenger.  Make 3 million dollars.  Retire from league.  Pay teenagers to run your store.  Become friends with Shaq.  Retire. 

$50 dollars for shipping seems really high now, doesn't it?