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Update 5/25/2017

  • This thread is all done.  I've lost interest in jibba jibbing here, but its been fun.  Thanks for all the memories.  
  • I am streaming from time to time on twitch - generally just when I'm trying hard in ranked though.  If interested, you can check that out here:  https://www.twitch.tv/pacovdumptruck
 

Well, I started a thread back in Dec 2011 that’s seen a lot of activity (some 922,000 views over the course of a few years apparently...).  That thread had a good deal of tips/strategies/discussions about League of Legends from new and old players alike.  You can find the previous thread (now archived) here:  https://forums.joeuser.com/413863.  I think its time to start fresh with a new thread.

What’s this thread all about?
For those that followed the previous thread, the type of content you see here will be fairly consistent to what you are used to.  Please consider this a place to discuss LoL related content as you like.  I'll do the same and treat the thread as a blog as well where I talk about what’s going on with me in LoL.  Feel free to jump in and join the discussion if you like.

Quick background on me
I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust. Back in August 2011, I started getting heavily involved in League of Legends, and folks from the community were kind enough to help me figure things out.  I play LoL most nights, stream, make videos and it’s my main gaming interest.

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on Oct 10, 2014

also - pbe getting patched already or tomorrow with preseason changes.  Here's a copy/paste super long list of stuff. Going to read tomorrow.

General

Pushing to the PBE sometime tonight or tomorrow. Going to throw up a really rough changelist of the subtle stuff. I'm going to take the time to call out more subtle things that are harder to notice and give much less detail about the really obvious stuff.

These are really rough patch notes and we are highly interested in heavily iterating on a lot of these. For example, I'd love to hear your suggestions for what cool Dragon bonuses could be - and I know we're still heavily iterating on the Jungle.

I'm going really light on context in this post because this isn't an official patch notes - I just wanted to get a good list of details out there so you guys have some inkling of what's going on when the stuff gets deployed to PBE.

As usual, if you have questions, feel free to ask but try to keep it in this thread if possible.

Fountain Regeneration
Improving feel of regeneration in fountain

  1. Fountain Regeneration now heals for 25% of the amount healed on live but ticks 4 times as fast.

Stat Growth Per Level
Champion base stats and stat growth per level adjusted to help reduce the impact of early level advantages

  1. Roughly, characters will start the game with an additional 68% of their per level statistic compared to live.
  2. Each level, characters will gain from 72 to 128% of their per level statistic compared to live, totalling to 1700% of your per level statistic.

Bounty Changes
With Stats Growth Per Level changes, early advantages are somewhat diminished - thus removing the unpopular gold rubberbanding mechanic from S4 to compensate for the new system of stats growth

  1. Kill gold is no longer reduced before 4 minutes.
  2. Gold gained from Assists now scales from 25% to 50% over the first 210 seconds of the game.

Death Timers
Shifting Death Timers to be longer based on level for a larger portion of the game to give a team on the backfoot an uptime advantage

  1. Death Timers now increase by 2% every 30 seconds starting at 35 minutes, rather than 2% every 60 seconds starting at 25 minutes.

Towers
Towers have received some changes to change both tower feel and to simplify the calculus involved in determining your damage to a tower

Inner Towers have been given some anti-split push / anti-siege potential. Inhibitor Towers have been given more ramp-up to make it easier to defend against single targets

  1. Towers no longer gain Armor and Magic Resistance over time, but they still gain Attack Damage.
  2. Tower Armor and Magic Resistance have been normalized to 100.
  3. Tower HP has been set to the following:
    Outer: 2000 Health
    Inner: 2000 Health
    Inhibitor: 2500 Health
    Nexus: 2000 Health
  4. Inner Towers have a new mechanic - Shielding:
    Inner Towers have a shield protecting them that regenerates after 60 seconds of not taking damage.
    While the shield holds, nearby champions gain a moderate shield as well.
  5. Inhibitor Towers have a new mechanic - Beam:
    Inhibitor Towers attack their target continuously, up to 4 times a second.
    Inhibitor Towers slowly ramp their damage from 100% to 260% over the course of 6.5 seconds.
    Inhibitor Towers slowly ignore their targets armor from 40% to 100% over the course of 6.5 seconds.
    Ramp is reset when Inhibitor Towers change targets.
  6. Base Tower regeneration reduced to 5 hp/5 from 15 hp/5

Minions
Simplifying Minion Math as well as removing the ability for resistance penetration to increase wave clear power

  1. Minions no longer gain Armor and Magic Resistance
  2. Minions gain increased maximum Health at a rate roughly comparable to the old resistance bonuses such that their effect HP is the same.

Homefield Advantage
Wanted to give the defending team an advantage in their base and remove other rubberbanding mechanics

  1. While a character is in their own base, they receive a movement speed and minor resistance bonus.

Inhibitor Respawn
Removing this rubberbanding mechanic as the base buff seems to accomplish the same thing while not dragging the game out artificially

  1. Inhibitors respawn timers increased to 300 seconds from 240.

Blue Buff
Blue Buff, acquired ealy, can lead to some unbreakable siege scenarios. With two buffs, this siege power can extend to 100% uptime. Wanted to reduce the duration on the buff a bit rather than attack the power of it to shorten some extended sieging scenarios

  1. Blue Buff duration reduced to 120 seconds from 150.

Red Buff
Blue buff is incredibly broad in application as it is used to dominate lane and contribute to clearing minions in wave clear, while red buff has some in-combat advantages - we wanted to give red buff some kind of role to play in a siege to give greater rewards to controlling the map before a siege

  1. Grants you 1% of your maximum Health every 5 seconds.
  2. Duration reduced to 120 seconds from 150.
  3. Slow reduced to 5-10% / 8-15% for ranged / melee characters from 5-15% / 8-24%
  4. Burn damage rescaled to 5-56 damage per second from 10-44 damage
  5. Burn damage now applies to Towers

New Powerup: Still Waters
Adding a pickup to the lanes after 20 minutes to add some incentive to visit this area in the mid and late game, as well as provide some split pushing power

  1. In the top and bottom lanes, at the entrance to river, a powerup will spawn beginning at 20 minutes and every 3 minutes thereafter.
  2. This buff confers:
    +50 out of combat movement speed.
    Standing Still for 0.5 seconds grants up to 25% increased vision range and the ability to look over walls.

Elixirs
Replacing current Elixirs with Elixirs that serve more divergent strategic powers, especially in the late game

  1. Elixir of Fortitude and Brilliance have been removed.
  2. You may only benefit from one elixir at a time.
  3. Elixirs may only be bought when your champion is level 9 or above.
  4. Elixir price increased to 400 gold.
  5. New Elixirs added:
    Elixir of Ruin: Grants Health, +% Tower Damage. Nearby minions gain +% Tower Damage and their movement speed is set to 90% of your own, up to 500.
    Elixir of Iron: Grants Size, Tenacity and Slow resistance. You leave a trail that increases ally movement speed by 10%
    Elixir of Sorcery: Grants AP, MP/5 and bonus true damage when damaging a champion or a tower.
    Elixir of Wrath: Grants AD, 10% physical vamp and scoring a kill or assist will extend the duration of the flask by 30 seconds.

Baron Nashor
Attempting to create a greater call to action for the team that has the Baron Nashor buff, rather than passively grind the opponent out

  1. Health and Regeneration removed (AD and AP boost remain the same)
  2. Baron Buff additionally grants you Empowered Recall, reducing your recall time to 4 seconds.
    This also massively heals you and grants you an 8 second movement speed buff once it finishes.
  3. Baron Buff buffs nearby minions around you significantly, causing them to gain up to 90% your Movement Speed as well as specific bonuses on type:
    Melee Minions: Gain 80% damage reduction from almost all damage types
    Ranged Minions: Gain increased damage and a minor increase in range.
    Siege Minions: Gain massive increases to range - such that they outrange towers. Their attacks are 50% slower but are AoE and deal 4x damage to towers.
    Super Minions: Gains 75% Movement Speed when nearby enemies as well as 25% Attack Speed.

Dragon
Dragon bonuses adjusted to be more 'back-loaded' so that a team that opts for a fast pushing strategy versus a team that goes for neutral objective control will spike in power at different times in the game

  1. Slaying Dragon now grants you a stack of 'Dragonslayer' which grants different permanent bonuses depending on how many Dragons you've slain.
    Stack 1: Increased Regeneration
    Stack 2: Increased AD / AP
    Stack 3: Increased Movement Speed
    Stack 4: Increased Health
    Stack 5: Triples all other bonuses
  2. Dragon gives 50% reduced XP, compared to live.
  3. Dragon no longer grants global gold.
  4. Dragon deals 20% increased damage to units for every Dragon their team has slain.
  5. Dragon takes 7% reduced damage from units for every Dragon their team has slain.

Itemization Updates

Enchantment: Captain's
Removing overlapping mechanics from Elixir of Ruin and Baron Buff - and most people didn't use Captain's for this purpose anyway

  1. Minion MS amplification removed.

Armor and Magic Resistance
Resistances are inherently reactive buys - and the constraint of Negatron Cloak and Chain Vest makes the act of cleverly reacting to your opponent much much harder than it should be

  1. All Armor and Magic Resistance items can now be built out of a cloth armor / null magic mantle.
  2. Recipes, gold costs, stats and build paths have been adjusted to compensate for the above change.
  3. In effect, there is now no meaningful difference between 'Chain Vest/Negatron Cloak' items vs. 'Cloth Armor/Null Magic Mantle' items as they will all build from the same root.

Health and Mana Regeneration
We're swapping from items granting flat HP/5 and MP/5 to increasing a % of your base regeneration + % level regeneration. This allows different characters to benefit from regeneration items differently - as well as allowing these items to more naturally scale as the game goes on.

  1. Items that grant Health and Mana regeneration now grant either % Base Health Regeneration or % Base Mana Regeneration
  2. % Base Health / Mana Regeneration take into account your champion's Health and Mana regeneration and any Health and Mana regeneration they gain per level.
  3. This does not take into account: skills, masteries, runes and other sources other than your champion statistic.

Example: Your champion has 7 mp/5 at level 1 and 18 mp/5 at level 18. You buy an item that grants +50% Base Mana Regeneration. At level 1, this item will provide an additional +3.5 mp/5 at level 1 and 9 mp/5 at level 18.

New Items

Band of Remorse
Recipe: Rejuvenation Bead + Ruby Crystal

  1. Grants Health and Regeneration.

Righteous Glory
Recipe: Catalyst + Band of Remorse

  1. Grants Health, Mana and Regeneration
  2. Active: Grants +60% MS to you and nearby allies when moving towards enemies for 2 seconds. When this speed boost ends, it emits a shockwave, slowing nearby enemy champions by 80% for one second.

Warmog's Armor

  1. Health reduced to 800 from 100.
  2. Regeneration triples when out of combat.
  3. Cost slightly reduced.

Raptor's Cloak
Recipe: Rejuvenation Bead + Cloth Armor + Rejuvenation Bead

  1. Grants bonus movement speed when near turrets or Zzrot Gates.

Zzrot's Gate
Recipe: Raptor Cloak + Negatron Cloak

  1. Spawns a gate at a location that summons monsters. These monsters proceed down the nearest lane and attack minions and damage towers.

Ohmwrecker
Recipe: Raptor Cloak + Kindlegem

  1. Active now boosts the damage of nearby towers by 100% or prevents nearby enemy towers from attacking.
  2. Stats adjusted to fit the recipe items (Health/Armor/Regen/CDR)

Jungle
Jungle is different now. For reasons!

Reasons that are outlined in the previous PBE post. Don't look at me like that.

General
1. Jungle Difficulty and Rewards have been increased
2. Red and Blue buff timers moved to 2:30

New Jungle Camp: Scuttle crab
This neutral objective is intended to add control to the river as a setup for Baron / Dragon or provide protection/enable river ganks in the early game

  1. Spawns in top and bottom river and patrols the river it is in.
  2. Is not hostile - tries to run away from enemy champions.
  3. Grants a speed shrine in the river that provides vision and out of combat movement speed to people who cross it.

Smite
Smiting a large monster from one of the monster camps will now grant bonus XP and a monster specific bonus when you kill it - this ensures that the Jungler always potentially benefits more from the Jungle than other roles

Brambleback (Elder Lizard)
1. Restores a large amount of Health.

Blue Guardian (Ancient Golem)
1. Restore a large amount of Mana.

Krugs (Ancient Golem)
1. Grants Gift of Heavy Hands - adding Execute Damage to your attacks.

Gromp (Large Wraith)
1. Grants Gift of the Toadstool - grants Toadstool Armor, poisoning enemies that attack you.

Raptors (Wraith Camp)
1. Grants Gift of the Eagle Eye - grants you a buff that automatically grants you true sight for a short time the next time you are spotted by an enemy ward.

Murkwolf (Wolf Camp)
1. Grants Wolf Sentry - A ghostly wolf patrols that quardrant of the jungle for a moderate time. If an enemy champion enters that quadrant of the jungle, it'll run at them and alert you to his position.

Jungle Itemization
Jungle itemization has been overhauled - all existing jungle items have been removed.

Hunter's Machete
1. Hunter's Machete now grants 30 magic damage on hit over 2 seconds and grants 8 health and 2 Mana per second while fighting monsters.
2. Hunter's Machete can only be bought if you have Smite as a Summoner Spell.

Upgrades
Hunter's Machete now upgrades into 4 items that amplify or change your Smite ability - depending on what overarching Jungle Strategy you want to do: Gank, Invade, Fast Clear, or Counterjungle

Stalker's Blade
1. After killing 3 monsters, you can smite Teemo enemy champions, dealing a small amount of true damage and reducing their movement speed by 50% for 2 seconds.

Poacher's Knife
1. Upgrade Smite to Quick Smite. Quick Smite has reduced cooldown - has further reduced cooldown when you kill large monsters and grants bonus gold if you use it on the monsters in the enemy jungle.

Skirmisher's Saber
1. Upgrades Smite to Challenging Smite. Challenging Smite can be cast on an enemy champion - doing no true damage but revealing them for a long time and causing your attacks to deal bonus true damage each time you hit him.

Ranger's Trailblazer
1. Upgrades Smite to Desolating Smite - which causes Smite to deal 50% splash damage to other nearby monsters as well as stun them for 1.5 seconds.

MOAR UPGRADES
The 4 above items can be enchanted with 4 enchantments that offer bonus statistics so you can customize the item based on what kind of role you want your jungler to transition to

Enchantment: Warrior
* Grants AD and Life Steal

Enchantment: Magus
* Grants AP and CDR

Enchantment: Juggernaut
* Grants Health, CDR and Movement Speed

Enchantment: Slayer
* Grants AS, CDR and a stacking AS buff

on Oct 10, 2014

Inhibitors towers op

on Oct 10, 2014

just logged into pbe... holy crap.  So many new items... ridiculous amt of jungle items as well. 

 

A jungle item that as of this second gives a 50% cdr?  I have no idea... did they change max cdr?  Anyway, lots of crazy crazy things

on Oct 10, 2014

Another thing some of you might enjoy - so I've been using a program called LoL Summoner Information (LSI) for a pretty decent amount of time.  It provides an in game overlay showing your team + enemy team's stats and saves replays.  It also has some cool stat features.  Not sure if it only grabs stats from games you've played with it running (I think so, though).  Anyway, here's a screenshot. I really dig the program.

 

Oh and that mod that enables you to use the new SR map is currently broken (apparently it breaks every time its patched.. woo). 

on Oct 10, 2014

did a short vid on the new jungle items on pbe, etc

on Oct 11, 2014

edited that vid some to bring the time down a bit.

on Oct 11, 2014

Going to putz around and stream re: the new jungle on PBE in a few min for anyone that is interested.  Just going to try a few diff junglers doing various routes.

 

on Oct 11, 2014

Hey guys, 

I just signed up for loot crate. Its a box of nerdy crap that comes in the mail once a month. I thought I would try it out and see what I thought of it since I need some junk to decorate my cubical at work. I thought I would post my referral link just incase any of you get interested in it I can save a bit of money on my crates if you use my link. 

Here is the linky dinky: 

http://mbsy.co/lootcrate/13082565

on Oct 11, 2014

OK  - so they pushed another patch to PBE.  Made some cost changes.  Tier 3 jungle item price is down to like 1450. 

Stuff I learned

  • All camps except river/blue/red  spawn at 1 min 55 sec
  • river/blue/red spawn at 2 min 30 sec

The price for tier 2 jungle item upgrade is 450 gold.  That purchase is currently op and makes it so most champs could jungle once they get that tier 2 item.  Jungling with just your machete is difficult at level 1.  Counter jungle power is through the roof including an upgraded smite that gives you 50% more gold for stealing from the enemy jungle (on smite only). 

Anyway, levels 1-3 in the jungle is difficult but doable (you start machete 2 health pots).  Ganking is possible at levels 2-3, but has to be done just right as you likely won't be full hp on a jungler that can pull off a lv 2-3 gank.  Nunu is looking god tier.  And again - if they don't change things, you get super charged jungle sustain for an extra 450 gold.  Really, anyone could jungle imo.  But again - preseason - that will change.

on Oct 11, 2014

yeah, this was the only way to ever de-power early game gankers. 3 minute double buff ganks are impossible.

On the other hand, level 2 duelists are going to be 100% critical. "Anyone" can't jungle because if you do a "late" invade @ 1:50 or somethin, you can ward the buff then wait at the other buff. Whatever buff they do end up going to, you kill them.

on Oct 12, 2014

yeah - it sucks to discuss balance, etc, knowing they are going to change things a bunch - but really, right now red buff is super strong.   It really makes sense to almost always start with your 2nd/3rd camp as red. 

They def have things jacked up with that 450 upgrade though.  You feel like you are late game with warmogs.  Really hoping they scale that back some to make it more difficult - seriously, anyone could jungle with pbe as it is - provide you avoid an invade. 

on Oct 12, 2014

mmm... nerding in a bit

 

on Oct 13, 2014

smeh... super long post accidentally deleted.  I try again later...

on Oct 13, 2014

k random recap w/ the time I have atm

Didn't get to try out star citizen - seemed to have a weak cap on DL bandwidth on their site.  Should be downloaded and I'm looking to check it out today.  Read up on star citizen if you don't know what it is and even kind of liked wing commander/space sims.  Pretty cool stuff and it has a HUGE BUDGET.,, more later...

 

on Oct 13, 2014

ramblings continued - I don't think I've told you about my (former?) pal dxtrick.  If you recollect, he was someone I met in team builder and we worked exceptionally well together in bot lane (him adc, me support).  Anyway, we decided to play ranked, crush it a bunch, and have like an 80% + win rate together in ranked.

Well... we decided to play a game with MadCasters including apoz and some mixed skill level folks.  Well, I fill as someone else wants to support and go somewhere else.  trick ends up fighting against a master tier draven and has a silver support to help him out.  He gets stomped and stats tilting.  Game 2 - no more apoz and weaker competition, but gets stomped again and then ends up in a fight with his support and eventually starts trolling.  Anyway, trick gets so pissed off that he drops me from his friend list.  Kind of a bummer considering we were really on the elo train (probably the most I've been in sync with someone else as support/adc combo).  Anyway, bit of a bummer.  Never been so mad at someone else that I banned someone I got along with well.  That is someone on tilt anyway. 

Other stuff - team builder matchmaking is kind of silly.  Specifically, its silly when you are trying out champs for the 1st time in the team builder queue.  It seems to match you with at least a few other people trying out champs for the 1st time.  I decided to work on my blitz a bit yesterday.  Game 1 - I get paired with a 1st time vayne that really doesn't know how to play vayne.  Game 2 - I get paired with a rammus that clearly doesn't even jungle or play rammus.  Annoying things happened as a result, ofc.  As I continued to play all blitz games, it seemed like I started to get better teammates.  Not entirely sure if that's due to playing more games so I get queued with less new on champ folks or what, but that seemed to be the case. 

Also... I blind picked as blitz into a morg/ez bot... that = super annoying.  Black shield + ez hopping away when I do snare him. smeh. 

An updated SR VU mod is out that works in 4.18.  Riot has actually started pushing out the map with the last patch, so people are speculating that the map will be enabled soon (perhaps next patch).

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