Great idea reddit!  Let's have all the junglers who are so weak that they can't safely clear another camp just run to the middle of the map and chase around a crab in a really inefficient way.  The strong junglers (who will be in the samish area looking for first ganks) totally will leave you alone.  Trust me, that Lee Sin/Udyr/whatever totally isn't going to kill you if you get seen.

This is really inefficient.  The camp is in a bad spot since it takes 15 seconds to run to it and you have to chase it around.  If you want to smite it to prevent the chase, you don't get a buff.  Its unsafe.  Its HORRIBLE in terms of XP, which is something junglers were really having problems with already.

haha - do it karls!  What, you don't think its cool to be running around out there with low hp and to also use some cc to speed things up? mmmm...

My understanding is that Trist actually has a really good level 1/2 (even if it isn't quite as good as Corki/Graves/Lucian, she is probably #4). She just really has a hard time starting ~level 4.

that's actually really interesting? i think that'd work on champs such as Sejuani that would absolutely have to base after 3 camps. One thing i was toying with (and worked really well) as only doing 2 camps, but also only buying 1 hp pot. Most junglers didn't even use 1 hp pot without a leash... Then you would base, buy jungling item, run to your red/blue. You'd have your upgraded item + full health + 1 pot, and it only cost you ~10 seconds.

I don't think you have enough money for the jungle item on 2 camps and having just 1 pot with the 100 gold increase.  I think you could do that before the 100 gold increase. 

She is only good if you are playing a combo that can all in 2v2 at level 2.  As in, she has to be able to jump in and ham it up at 2.  Otherwise, she is weak.

She has really bad range early and starts E/W usually.  So no attack speed steroid early either.  You do push well though.  So your one move is to super ham it with a jump attack.  If thats not an option, she is really weak.

If everyone thinks Tristana's early game has been nerfed, everyone needs to check back into reality.

Level 1 Rocket jump has 10 more damage, without the double damage from the combo.  Level 2 is 10 damage weaker.

Level 1 Explosive charge is far weaker, doing 20 less and without the added loss in healing, but only if you don't charge it.

If you all in, and honestly, who the fuck wouldn't, you're looking at a maximum combined level 2 ability damage of 280 plus bonus AD.  Pre "nerf" Tristana, which has a good level 2, does 150, with all AP scalers.  Even with the inability to get all four shots in before detonation, she's been significantly strengthened for her start.  If you only get two shots in before it blows, you'll still manage 218 damage off the combo.  She's a lane wrecker now.  Pair her up with Leona, Zyra, someone with heavy CC and damage, and you're getting a double kill if they try to farm.

ppft - best to try out trist and see if she's op or not.  I don't think she will be personally based on what I've read, but I could be wrong.

@thunder - you know damn well I'm going to play 1 ranked game tonight and get demoted even if I win. 

Sure, if you are playing against absolutely terrible players, the new Tristana is probably decent early.

But most of us aren't playing against incompetent bot laners every game.  Good bot lane opponents aren't going to let the very short range Tristana walk up to them, stick an E on them, then auto attack them for a few seconds, then jump on them.  In a more realistic situation, your combo will end up doing about the same damage as before because you don't get to pull everything at absolutely ideal stacks.

But the problem is going to be that its MUCH less flexible.  Its about as good if you want to do all ins - probably even a bit better.  Yay!  But if you are against a combo that you don't want to all in (they have a stronger 2v2 combo), you are screwed.  Its a weaker poke skill (can't effectively get the stacks early on with the very short attack range).  Against heavy healers?  Well, you don't have the debuff any more, so its a lot worse against a lane with Soraka/Taric/etc.

So you have something that is going to be about as good if you are going all in a lot, at the cost of being much less flexible.  A net nerf.  And you have less base armor.  And less base health for those all ins.  And your range/attack speed aren't scaling as well.

Since when is 550 a very short attack range?  This isn't Urgot.

LOL Ahri buffs. 

This is the price we pay for removing DFG.  Worth IMO.

Ahri is losing a lot of burst with the removal of DFG and the removal of the 20% damage amplification.  She gets a lot of mobility though.  Not sure if they are buffs or nerfs.

pretty much all of her ratios went up. Tons of ahri's didn't build DFG.