Hmm, i do think that there was a little bit of miscommunication on what my intention was for that post.

"Top or Feed" is an okay attitude to have if we are playing a Ranked 5s team with any amount of consistency. The fact of the matter is that if i'm not playing top, i am going to be weaker than other people's options. As we climb, it's important to make sure we maximize our changes of winning. It's far more advantageous for someone else to step in my place and let me be "benched" for the night. Of course, if we need to do an emergency "champion selection" swap, i'm still able to play mid/adc/support, we are just going to be weaker because of it.

While i may be "top or feed", i still want to demonstrate that i am willing to learn new champs to fill gaps and cooperate with the team. Honestly, if we - as a group - decide to play Lissandra top, i would be willing and able to learn her and start playing her top in ranked teams ~a week.

Note that if people are tilting, for whatever reason, we'd better off just playing Normals instead. And i think that we have to understand that sometimes bad streaks are going to happen. If we happen to go 0-4 one night... well that's just sort of a thing that happens. That said, if we do something like go 9-16, i can see a stronger argument that something needs to change.

Re: streaky ranked team games.

I find that my solo queue is pretty streaky. There are times I win 8/10 games and then all of the sudden I lose 5 in a row. loses happen and for whatever reason I tend to see them in truck loads when they do.

gfy

I'm getting a bit annoyed with this.  It's probably best to wait until thunder's steady internet appears and you have an alternate support, but... based on cow's list, hedgie's offer to learn a champ he doesn't play in order to stay top, and thunder's gracious refusal to play support for me as adc, I have pretty much zero % chance of playing any other role.  Which kind of sucks considering I... you know... want to play roles other than support. 

I don't think this team is a good fit for me.  It's probably best to consider me as an alternate for the team and I'll be less available going forward.  Bummer, but ok.  Hopefully thunder will be available or you can find someone else. 

I don't think that this is really fair.

I mean, you were listed as being able to play 3 different positions by Cow.  It seems that Thunder is willing to play support with you on ADC with the provision that you don't complain a lot when he goes with a completely and totally standard Thresh build.  It think that this is a pretty reasonable that Thunder gets to choose his own starting items within reason.

I mean, you complain more about his going with a standard Thresh build than we did about you building a really bad item like zzzz'rot portal on Morgana in a close ranked game that we were losing for a good chunk of the time.  I don't think that's really fair.  I mean, you expect people to not complain about you and your build when you support, but expect to have exact control over your support when you play ADC.

But the real thing here is that I don't think that you are burning out on support because we play a VERY small number of ranked 5 games a month.  Seriously, its a completely minimal fraction of your total games.  I think you are burning out on support because you are playing it more frequently in Solo Queue with Hunny.

And thats fine.  You should totally do what you want to do.  But I don't think its fair to have a go at people because they are choosing to put people at positions which clearly optimize our chances of winning a ranked 5 game.  I mean, that is the point of playing ranked - to optimize our chances of winning, so you can't blame them for that.  You + hunny are clearly a better bot lane than hunny + hedgie, so we would be foolish to do something different.

<removed semantic nitpick>.

It wasn't "haha i'm going to learn how to play Lissandra specifically to play top and screw with pacov!"

It was: "if i am going to be specializing in top lane - and neglecting other lanes - it might be better for me to learn a new champ than to put me in another role and have someone else play that champ".

That is pretty logically consistent: learning one new champion in a familiar lane is much easier than learning a new champion in another lane. Even then, i even SAID in my post that i was willing to be BENCHED for the night.

Again, like i said, there isn't a problem for us to rotate to Normals after a game or two of Ranked. If you're sick of support after a game, it isn't a problem for us to go play a Normals and have you play a non-support role while someone else supports. Playing in a less-competitive environment in a non-support position may be a way to reduce some tension/tilt that we may have as a team after going 0-1 or 0-2 for the night.

Alternatively, if someone else logged on (eg, Thunder), i can stop playing after 1/2 games, pacov can go top, and Thunder could support Dan.

If Pacov only wants to play 1 or 2 games as support before getting sick of it we can always look at the option of normals for the rest of the night (I would probably just opt out and play ranked solo). Although Pacov playing support is really a situational thing given who is online that particular night (Dan is usually afk when in game, bryff has started to play more often again, brad has been around a little more than usual) I think he is one of the best out of us at it when he is in a happy pacov mood.

I could also talk to my old roommate about playing annie support for us (he also has a solid jinx) he is a silver player but he is much better when directed and plays higher than his solo queue. He has a weird work schedule though and mostly plays late at night (past midnight my time).

Anyways the biggest problem we had last season was a consistant bot lane and I think pairing hunny with pacov (since you two are always on most nights) would improve this part of our team greatly.

But if you are being forced into a role you do not enjoy playing as I totally understand. There wouldn't be much of a point to playing a game if you hated ever minute of it.

We could also try some lane swaps or jungle buddy system ending the clear in a dive on the guy that is solo 1v4. Then swapping the ADC/support back to the 2v2 side. I have watched a lot of LCS games and have seen this orchestrated a few times. We could try it for some fun.

Yes, I agree.  Ranked should be roughly optimal play and I don't think that people should be blamed for wanting that.  If people aren't enjoying that for whatever reason at that moment, thats totally fine.  We can just go to something else and we can mix things up in a different queue.

Quoting is hard!

Can anyone tell me what GFY means?

Another option for pacov would be playing Leona instead of some of the more passive (but stronger) supports, such as Janna. (Not that Leona is bad - Janna is just stronger).

i think that pacov has supported Hunny while playing Graves + Leona a few times already. If Karl is playing more aggressive junglers (such as Panth), Leona is nice because she can provide strong gank support, while transitioning into a midgame tank and initiation tool. That would also fit a "neglect toplane" style of play that we appear to already be gravitating towards. 

Quoting pacov,

I'd love to be a part of Cow's team and play Ranked 5's with my friends assuming my internet stabilizes, but of all of you I am the lowest ranked player.  So even more than Hedgie, if I play I'd like it to be under optimal circumstances for me to be more of an asset than a deficit to the team.

That would mean playing Thresh as often as possible with the standard build, which would make me your Support on occasion.  My best current champion is also one of the strongest overall Supports in the game, so it would also essentially be a 4th ban for the team.

I suggested that for us to play better together in bot lane that you could practice learning Thresh (with the standard build) in your spare time.  You graciously refused is my understanding.

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Thresh has huge damage when his E passive is fully charged.  I can often out last hit ADC's who are trying to keep me from proccing.  Not sure whether you knew this which is another reason I thought it would be helpful if you learned to play Thresh.

Pinging works well.

Go fuck yourself. I do daily... to much info?

That would at least spice things up. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if you did this.

I play thresh... I'm guessing you are being kind of shitty here. Pretty sure I explained my take on this earlier and agreed that practicing would sort that out... but I'd still have a negative attitude seeing it in games where I don't know the support. 

Anyway, I just tire of the aggressive horse shit - the tilt-cov, brad wong in the mood for a "pacov game," "learn thresh," etc.  That sort of stuff makes me rather not play with some of you folks. So yeah, I'd like to play other roles.  You say nope - I say, ok.  Someone else can take my place and you folks might end up playing less ranked due to availability of folks - not a big deal. 

I disagree with the assessment that I'd be a "deficit" to the team playing a different role.  The downside is you are out a "warm body" that could have played support and possibly 2 if hunny and I go off to play ranked.  Worse things have happened.  But hey - some cool, high handed remarks anyway. 

I don't think I'm having a go at anyone.  I clearly stated that I don't think I would be able to do anything other than support based on how things were described - and expressed that I'm not a fan of that.  Toss in the passive aggressive shit and I really don't have any problem saying X me out and get someone else.  Again, not a big deal.  Hopefully things will work out and you fellas will be able to play a bunch with thunder.  And I'll probably less agitated once today ends anyway. 

on a not related to this drama note - wow my sivir needs some work.  I did a team builder tonight and just made bad play after bad play.  I think sivir is easily my worst adc for soo many reasons... I'm not backing up appropriately if I fail my q (eg not respecting the other adc's dmg output) and not positioning well for my ult. The 2nd bit is the bigger problem.  I'm just not sure the best way to pop it and I think a bit of it has to do with me positioning very differently than I do on other adcs early/mid.  Still best with graves.  Anyone have any practical tips for siv's ult?

I decided to play a game with kat as mid.  Also kind of bad, but she's a dumb ass champion.  Even though I was smeh, my team won because of a few plays here and there where I picked up multiple kills just because the champ design is stupid.  I'm okay with abusing them for myself (ranked wins are swell), but champs that can completely flip a game even if they played poorly... smeh - don't like the design unless they pay for it super hard all game. 

Oh - and I was just thinking about a game the other night in ranked -hedgie should really get sorted out on his mic I think.  He did a really good call in chat at one point saying his passive was almost ready (gnar) and he'd tp and then we did a bonehead play before he could hop in there.  Note - that wasn't a mistake on hedgie's part - bad play on ours (me at least) - but I think I'd have noticed him earlier if he was able to speak instead of type and that might have had an impact on the dumbo play. 

Just before i go to sleep and wake up in 3 hours (go work!) - I think I can distill this even further.  I don't feel appreciated for playing a role that most prefer not to play. I play that role quite well and am easily an asset, but I want to spend time on other roles. I won't tolerate shit talk from people getting to play w/e the fuck they want while I'm playing a role I'd rather not.  The minimum req for me to play with the team as support is no disrespectful shit talk. The optimal request is dealing with the nightmare of me playing a different role from time to time (read - in a scenario that happens weekly or biweekly - not if 3 are missing and we suddenly have 3 more available - eg prob ain't gonna happen pacov). I think your head is up your ass if we can't come up with some scenario where I'm not support IN RANKED that occurs once in a while (side note - no shit I can play w/e in a normal).  If that is even remotely burdensome, then all you have to do is find someone else.  Prefer to be treated better ofc, but hey - there are friends and then there are friends.  That's my take and the outcome is up to you folks.