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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

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Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

Comments (Page 141)
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on Dec 03, 2012

I recommend the game, though there are some things that will always just feel wrong that Demigod did better.  You get over it eventually.

One downside of having such a well supported game like LoL is all the good names have been taken. Tracer Bullet, Captain Napalm, Stupendous Man, and Spaceman Spiff have long been taken.

on Dec 03, 2012

Other stuff - karl - all you need to do is ask me to come add damage to blue after I steal wraiths.  In the past, I'd take big wraith, base, then come back as jayce and then help you kill blue smiteless.  The variable that changed is that bryff gives us the dance on blue while jona 1 hits or whatever and backs.  Anyway, if I steal big wraith, I can just forgo basing.  Most of the time me being slightly behind in lane top is a non issue as long as I grab a ward.  There will be no skip stealing big wraith.  That said - I think there will be no stealing big wraith on most of my top characters after the new jungle goes live.  I could still base pretty easy after taking it, but I would def not be in condition to go top without blowing 1-2 pots. 

 

It doesn't matter but...

My point was that you can't steal big wraith if you are top on the same side as our blue unless you can be back at it at 1:55.  Or rather, you can't do it if they have somebody who can counter jungle.

The math is pretty simple.  If their jungler gets big help on their blue and I don't get damage on our blue, he can always get to our red at least 5 seconds faster than I can.  Therefore, I can't stop the steal.

I don't need to do blue smiteless, but I do need to clear it fast enough so that I can get to our red in time to push them off it if they come. 

With some junglers I can work around this.  But Diana is susceptible to being countered and Jona went a mid which is always 0 help against a counter jungle (I would never pick Diana if my mid is Soraka, but Jona switched at the last second).

on Dec 04, 2012

Krazikarl
My point was that you can't steal big wraith if you are top on the same side as our blue unless you can be back at it at 1:55. Or rather, you can't do it if they have somebody who can counter jungle.

I can (could - not in season 3) do it pretty easily.  If I'm shen/malph, after stealing big wraith, I'm only down like 120 hp or so without using a pot.  If I'm jayce, I'm down 150-170 hp.  I could still easily help if there is a counter jungle on blue anyway.  What I've done based on playing with you and our pals is to typically port back early and grab a ward.  This means I don't need to worry about the enemy team ganking me and I don't expect one from you based on your priorities as a jungler.  That's not saying your priorities are off, btw, that's just saying it won't matter to me what you do because I will be warded up early and I can just be self reliant based on my skill level (also not 100% perfect, but I think I win more match ups than I lose top anymore). 

I do get what you are saying. Let's be serious for a whole second though.  Jona went soraka mid.  This meant you WOULD be counter jungled at red - as in what... 10% chance that would not happen?  This also meant that olaf would likely kill by going for an early red steal when only soraka could back you up.  Sure, if you had a smidge more hp off the blue, but I'm pretty sure olaf wins a level 2 matchup with diana - even if sork backs you up.  If you were worried about red pressure (you should have been) and we had someone go soraka mid... well... I'm pretty sure you and I both realize that you should have made a red start.  But you went blue.  That was your call. 

Krazikarl
But Diana is susceptible to being countered and Jona went a mid which is always 0 help against a counter jungle (I would never pick Diana if my mid is Soraka, but Jona switched at the last second).

Said it yourself.  If you did anything other than a red start, even if I helped you, you were boned. 

on Dec 04, 2012

I'm pretty sure that I could beat Olaf if I caught him on red.  He isn't that safe of a jungler, and if he had to split his attention between red and me, I'm pretty sure that I could beat him.  In an open field fight, I probably can't beat him, but the amount of damage that red deals at level 2 is non trivial.

on Dec 04, 2012

Here's something I did not know was going to see changes - runes.

 

scroll down a smidge - don't have time to format the list proper like..

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/148ww6/preseason_3_patch_notes/c7awbu8

 

 

on Dec 04, 2012

I am really excited to get to start using the season 3 items/masteries on live.  I'll be updating as soon as I get in, then deleting all my rune pages to build them out from scratch.  I think we'll see a good amount of diversity with the masteries per role - time will tell. 

Random starting strategies.  What do you think of this.  Sight stone is 600 gold.  If you are a support, you should be able to start with 550 gold.  It doesn't take that long to hit 600 gold.  I'm wondering if it might be worth it to wait at base and start out with that (or really, stay with your adc and tp back to get the sight stone then run back to lane - no reason to just sit in base).  And with the explorer mastery, you get a 60 second ward... so you could potentially run out, toss down that 60 second ward, then tp back to base when out of vision and leave your adc to chill for about 25 sec while you make your way back. 

I think that would be the most cost efficient way to handle warding.  First trip back you can upgrade the sight stone (I might be using the wrong name for this item - it gives you 2 wards, etc) so that you get get additional hp + an extra ward.  Anyway, I think that might be viable.  I don't know if the support could start with no items and then tank double golums for the adc and then base or not.  I think they might be too strong to pull that off - looking forward to trying.  Anyway, tons of new strats to try out. 

on Dec 04, 2012

so excited... just thought about playing as singed top... I'm pretty sure he will now be teemo level annoying.  Before, he was just annoying...

on Dec 04, 2012

All the cool changes are going live tonight? I guess I will have to try to get a game or two in this week.

on Dec 04, 2012

OMG_Shiro
All the cool changes are going live tonight? I guess I will have to try to get a game or two in this week.

The changes are live now I believe.  Was patched into NA this morning.

on Dec 04, 2012

Think you start with 525 and Sightstone is 700.  Gotnades just put our entire team on his back playing Singed, so yeah I'd say the Tear changes are good for him... maybe too good.  Unfortunately WW doesn't charge a Tear with his E but oh well.

Holy crap.  I just played two games and my mind feels completely hollowed out.  If playing my number one champ in my number one roll is this hard, I don't know how long until I'm able to try new things.  Trying to keep track of 3-4 active items and use my abilities and remember how many wards I've placed already with Sightstone... good lord.

Having said that it feels damn good to end up with more gold than a jungler who is doing decently and to save people's ass over and over with the Crucible.  Stoked on the changes so far...

on Dec 04, 2012

Thundercles
Think you start with 525 and Sightstone is 700.

ah - I thought it was 600.  Ok then.  That ends that starting strat .

And yeah - I find it very difficult to believe that singed could be bad... like ever now.  There are more than a few items that benefit him quite a bit.

on Dec 04, 2012

mm... updating now.  nerdy goodness. 

If you haven't checked out the preseason sight, do so.  Gives a really good overview of the items, etc

http://competitive.na.leagueoflegends.com/preseason/intro

 

 

on Dec 05, 2012

Ok - so most of us have had a chance to play around some with the season 3 changes now.  What do you think?  I know karl was really loving ww in the jungle with machette.  Curious if you guys found anything that worked great in specific roles, etc.  Do tell.

 

on Dec 05, 2012

It's not much different really.  Solo Baron is a little easier, but they basically made a jungle starting item and boosted the jungle difficulty so you need it.  I do like the new items, particularly when it comes to AP jungles that couldn't afford to give away blue to mid before.

on Dec 05, 2012

patch was just pushed out to live. Looks like its eternum nocturn. 

Random note -  found out about a new method for streaming at higher quality - checking that out now.

 

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