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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on May 22, 2013

Pacov, the North American Platinum Hedgehog is a devious and dangerous creature!  I urge you to not to fall for it's snookery and misdirection sir.

They will play champs that they haven't played in months in games with us so that we underestimate them.  While the rest of us blame bad teammates and OP champs on our losses like God intended for us to, they tryhardedly analyze their play and ponder how they could have done better... tantamount to cheating if you ask me!  And before you know it... they're in Elo Heaven while the rest of us languish in Silver and the bottom of Gold V...

on May 22, 2013

platinum brown nosing.  huehuehue.

on May 22, 2013

For anyone that is interested, here's a vid of the 1v1 I played on PBE yesterday using Aatrox.  A bit of it is solo lane stuff, so just skip around a bit if you want to see how the fights go and how his passive factors in, etc.

http://www.twitch.tv/1pacov1/c/2320088

 

on May 22, 2013

forgot to buy some peanut butter last time i went grocery shopping...

on May 22, 2013

Woooh let's bump me up to gold! Edit: yeah...not happening...just can't stop losing Edit: hm well I guess some games are winnable.

ADC is not fun.

on May 23, 2013

The post game chat sums up my feelings on the majority of my games tonight... hoping lines are read between and all that

on May 23, 2013

Well... I'm on call for work and my wife is going out of town this weekend.  I'll likely be nerding it up a bit more than usual.  Happy to duo ranked with whoever over the weekend if folks are interested. 

I'm going to start making more of an effort to get in house games going as well... its been too long and those are typically fun.  I'm still constantly checking who's online after games, but I'm really just counting total available folks and if there's not enough people online, I just play another game.  I'll start asking folks if they have anyone else they could inv, etc.  It will probably get a smidge easier when we get swan back and if we bump into dax more often.  I think we had 8 total for potential the last few nights actually... so literally 2 away from an in house. 

on May 23, 2013

I probably should mention that I've made some new friends very recently while playing ranked and I had a couple of them on the other night and thought we might be able to get an inhouse going, but instant ARAM re-queue OP.  Just assumed (specially after that screenshot with the unhappy sounding message?) that ARAM was all that mattered to anyone else and people were taking it pretty seriously, so I'm glad to hear people are still into SR every once in a while.  Next time I have some buddies on and you've got 5 in an ARAM I'll letcha know.

 

Re Bryff:  Can we please have a rune intervention for him?  He's a good kid, talented, getting better every day, and specializes in Kass who is a very strong pick at the moment... but his runes!  Arm Pen runes on Irelia... the gal that scales off attack speed really well because of her true damage?  AD runes are just better on her man... when she counters someone, she needs that early game advantage to take control of the lane and auto attack creeps to constantly heal any poke.  When she's countered, she needs the AD to last hit under the tower.  Occasionally top players will go LS, Attack Speed, or HP/5... but never pen because of the true damage she does I assume. http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Irelia  

And your AP scaling rune page.  It was a nice thought, and I'm sorry your spent the IP on them... but you need Flat AP and Flat Armor.  Junglers are going to want to camp you as Kass early before you become an ungankable, roaming nightmare and people are going to try and pick AD mids against you when they can.  Friendly junglers are going to be relying on you to actually do some damage to help get the kill if they gank for you early.  There aren't any scaling armor and scaling AP rune pages are on these top level Kass players, and there's a reason:  Flat AP Quints are just plain better. http://www.probuilds.net/champions/Kassadin

Bryff, sorry if this comes off as me trying to call you out or embarrass you... just trying to help.  I just see posts like "ADC is not fun." and it just frustrates me cause I think "It's a lot more fun if you have the proper runes for it..."  Does anyone agree?  Please either put me in my place and say having the right runes only matter in high level play, or back me up.

on May 23, 2013

hehe....let me take this one at a time

I don't have runes for irelia...that's why I asked.

So apparently flat ap quints are better till level 12.  Well sorry.  Those are old.  scaling armor against a non ad mid is fine.  against an ad mid, what would I do anyway?

I have the "proper" adc runes.  So don't even think of that!

 

So after playing 3 games of dominion irelia in which all were losses, I concluded that irelia is super awesome.  Because one game I got 7 kills before first death and went 22/6, other games weren't quite as good but were still good.  Also, I heard something about a sona buff, which means I'm gonna pwn even more.

Also I have a 4 day weekend starting now

on May 23, 2013

Thundercles
I probably should mention that I've made some new friends very recently while playing ranked and I had a couple of them on the other night and thought we might be able to get an inhouse going, but instant ARAM re-queue OP.

pacov will make more of an effort now.  Glad you chimed in and mentioned you might have some more folks for us.  takes a village and all that rot.

on May 23, 2013



I don't have runes for irelia...that's why I asked.

Flat AD Reds and Quints, Flat Armor and MR is the most popular and what I use for her... any other deviation hasn't worked too well for me.

 



scaling armor against a non ad mid is fine.

In Silver IV?  Lots of things probably work great against your opponents there... and I speak from experience.  Just trying to suggest you at least try out emulating the rune setups of top level Kass players, who without exception, do not use Scaling Armor Yellows.

 

against an ad mid, what would I do anyway?

Get flat armor yellows and survive till you're level 6 and can roam.

 



I have the "proper" adc runes.  So don't even think of that!

Not many people go Arm Pen Reds on ADCs unless they're playing Draven.  Lifesteal Quints allow you to start Doran's Blade and be able to sustain back from all but the worst trades in lane.  I personally had a lot more success when I switched to them when playing ADC.

on May 23, 2013

It was advice on these same forums that told me to pass over LS quints.

Also yeah I'm open to criticism but maybe I'll be stubborn

on May 23, 2013

The meta changes Bryff.  Did you receive that advice back when boots + 3 was the way to start ADCs?  When you received 3% LS from masteries?  When Vamp Scepter was cheap as hell?

Do watcha like man, just trying to help.

 

on May 23, 2013

pass over LS quints.

life steals value went up a smidge with season 3.

on May 23, 2013

See Pacov I TOLD you to ask him if he had anyone on before requeuing! Anyway I will be gone tommorow and Saturday, but will probably be back late~ Saturday evening so I won't be able to join until then.

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