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Well, I started a thread  back in August (https://forums.joeuser.com/411269/) that's seen a lot of activity and actually had quite a few good bits of information for new and old players alike.  I figure it's time to start a new thread and perhaps keep the OP up-to-date with useful information, etc.  Feel free to use this post for any LoL discussion, etc.

Super fast background:  I played a lot of Demigod as pacov/cheesuscrust.  Back in August 2011 or so, I started getting heavily involved in LoL and folks have been kind enough to chime in with tips and links to various sites that have been quite useful to me.  In addition, I've been able to keep up with folks that I've played Demigod with in the past and meet some new folks that play LoL and frequent these message boards. 

Here's some of the things I've learned in the previous thread:

 New Player tips

  • Play the tutorial.
  • Consider picking up the starter bundle.  It's 530 RP (that's about $4).  You get 8 champs unlocked, a 4 win IP boost and a 10 win XP boost.  It's a pretty good deal (used it recently on an alt account).  You can find it in the game store under bundles.
  • Riot gives you 400 RP as soon as you hit level 5.  It's enough to buy some skins, a boost, or a cheap character. 
  • Learn to last hit!  Last hitting is simply landing the last hit on creeps.  If you last hit, you get gold for that kill.  The number of creeps you have killed is tracked in a value called CS.  You can see this number in the top right hand corner of the ui or by pressing tab.  Here's a really simple tutorial re: last hitting if you are brand new - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LheiRB76x5g
  • Read some guides on any character you want to try out.  The recommended builds (what you see when you go to a shop) are not optimal.  The guides include item suggestions and skill orders.  These are very useful in learning decent ways to build characters
  • Use the rune combiner to get level 3 runes prior to level 20 if you like.  You will need 375 IP.  Buy any tier 1 rune that costs 15 IP.  You need to purchase 25 of these.  Click on your rune page.  In the bottom right hand corner there is a button called the Rune Combiner.  If you place 5 runes in there, you can get a random rune that is 1 tier higher (eg if you have 5 tier 1 runes, you will get 1 random tier 2 rune.  Anyway, the math works out such that you spend 375 IP ( buy 25 tier 1 15 IP runes) and you get 1 completely random tier 3 rune.  Some of the quintessences are 2k IP, so if you luck out and get one of those, you just won the lottery.  You can always keep the random tier 2 rune if you end up with something good and don't want to trade it out yet.
  • Consider setting aside IP for tier 3 runes (available at level 20 and above).  You can't purchase them with real money - only IP.  Keep that in mind.

Great site I visit every day for LoL related news - http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends

pacov's misc info

Here's a guide I made

pacov's Guide to Improving at League of Legends and Moving Up in Elo

k - so I'm just going to put down some of my thoughts.  I'm not amazing at this game, but I do certain things that improve my odds of winning in ranked and so far its panning out just fine (bronze 5 to gold 5 in about a month or so).  We all have varied skill levels, so some of this might be useful and some not.  Caveat complete.

Prerequisite- you need to know how to play every single role.  You don't have to be a god at every single role (more power to you if you are - I'm certainly not).  You need to be able to play at a serviceable level in every single role and excel at least at 1 role (preferably 2).  In my case, I'm good at support and adc.  I'm not great, but have serviceable mids and jungles and so so tops.  Knowing what you are good at and bad at is very important.  If you don't know, I can probably tell you - but you really should know...  Anyway, you need to have enough champs to make solid picks in any role and you need to be able to cover any role if it comes down to it.  I'll talk about how to get better at specific roles in a bit.

Champ select advice - Don't be the "fill" guy unless you really feel like you are awesome in all roles.  Call your preferred role immediately when you hit the lobby.  Say "adc pref."  Do this as soon as you hit the lobby.  Some people believe that if you call a role you magically get it.  This is stupid, but if you call something out, folks will often accomodate your request.  If you are feeling wishy washy for whatever reason, call out multiple roles in order of what you want to play - "adc/mid pref."  In my experience, you generally do not want to call support.  It's a very important role, but you want to be in a position to carry every single game if possible.  If you aren't calling out a role, you are hoping that other players can carry you.  If you are hoping that folks will carry you, you don't deserve to win.  You need to know your best roles and you absolutely should request them.

Solo or duo in ranked? - Well, my 1st thought here is that you should solo.  If you solo, you have to rely on yourself.  IMO - its a much bigger test of skill to play solo and win than to duo.  Do you want someone to carry you or do you really want to know that you are actually good?  That said, provided you have the right duo partner, you can increase your odds of winning quite a bit.  The simple math is that instead of having 4 teammates as unknown quantities, you only have 3.  If you have a good duo teammate, you know what you can expect.  When you duo, you get the most bang for your buck by having complimentary roles.  Support/adc is good; jungle/mid also works.  Even if you don't have direct symmetry in roles, if you are an amazing mid and I'm an amazing adc, our odds go up quite a bit if we both get those roles.  Our odds go way down if we can't get those roles and are forced to play out of positions that we are weaker.  For example, Bryff is a good mid.  If he duo's up with me, the only way he will get to play that role is for me to call mid, take it myself, and then put myself into a position like support where I can't carry out of (I'm always 1st pick, Bryff is always last pick when we duo)... that and I have to show the mid I'm picking at the start which means Bryff gets hard countered.  In short, we can expect that we will be a disadvantage when duo queuing.  Now, if Bryff queued up with someone at a lower elo than himself that was solid, he'd likely be 1st pick and be able to get mid and have a better chance of carrying the game.  Anyway, you need to keep in mind where you end up in pick order when duoing if you aren't looking to go adc/support.  If you want that, you can usually get it. 

How do you get better in roles that you are not good at? - Well, here's what I do.  And this is really what I do on a regular basis.  I think about what I'm good at and what I'm not good at.  For instance, I realized that I don't play any hyper carry ads.  So, I read up on hyper carries like vayne and kog maw.  I look for guides on how to build them (most adcs are the same btw ), I look for vids on how people play them (eg how do I all in with a specific champ - is there a combo - when do I all in - what's the best way for me to burst - how should I behave in lane with this champ).  Then, I fire up a custom game and try out the mechanics of whatever champ vs AI.  Usually I learn a few tricks during that custom on how to position myself, etc.  Then, I'm off to normal games where I'll request the role or character I'm trying out.  Now, people still report your for being awful in normals, but it really is where you need to try out characters to see if you are any good or not as the bots are useless for proving your skill level to yourself.  So, fire up that normal and ask to play a role (again - after you've tried out the champ against bots).  If you don't know anyone you are with and you are quite awful, I suggest muting everyone at the start of the game.  Then, do your best.  Continue with this until you feel like you have a serviceable skill level in whatever role.  And keep in mind what you need to work on.  For me, I noticed I didn't really have alot of mids for ranked, so I started practicing some with gragas against and karth.  That way, I'll be able to get the job done if I need to play mid.  The next thing I need to do is put more time into being better top lane. Again, because while I prefer adc/support, I might need to play top for the team.  So, best to be ready for it.  Put your time in and practice roles. 

One last thought - there are certain things you can generally expect in ranked.  1 - if you are 1st pick, you generally can call whatever you want.  Common knowledge, I'm sure - but I'll add - CALL WHATEVER YOU WANT.  2 - if you duo queue, you generally can lock down both adc and support.  It works best if your adc is 1st pick, ofc.  I've bumped into like 10 random dedicated supports in all of my games of LoL.  People generally aren't going to call support. So, if you are 1st pick and duo'd, just call adc and then your duo partner can almost always get support.

 

Lol King profiles for ranked tracking

I'm not going to update this regularly, so just consider it a snapshot (I'll add a date when I update them).  Anyway, I enjoy seeing folks progress through ranked and keeping tabs on that sort of thing from time to time. 

Snapshot updated 05/28/2014

 Character guides

Mid Ziggs by cow - http://www.lolking.net/guides/7906

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on Apr 22, 2012

Krazikarl
AD Carries do not counter AP Carries mid.

And that's taking into account that the ranged ad mid would be running a full mr page while the ap carry would not have anything at all that would help them against a ranged ad, right?  Probably not... which is kinda the whole point of the change I'm suggesting.  I get that the ap carry will likely to try to hug a the tower, but the ranged ad can still just last hit and harass here and there... which should keep that from happening a bit and make them more likely to die from a jungle ganks.  Especially an early one (eg when they are just saying "oh... cait's mid").  I agree about the roaming mid or top, problem, though. That said, even ad tf has quite a bit of usage at mid in high level matches - without running a full mr page... and can easily gank top or bot.  So, tf works, corki probably works and could come in and gank easily, and probably many other characters would work. 

Anyway, I hear and understand everything you are saying, karl, I just don't think the dogmatic approach is the best 100% of the time. 

rawrr... sorry about the craptastic games... hopefully you get something better asap.  fing trolls... smeh

on Apr 22, 2012

watch Korean streams... they use TF like crazy there (he's a top ban also). He's nearly always played AP mid...

This one game i watched they actually used him as AD and his ganks were terrible No gold card burst

 

on Apr 22, 2012

the big problem with tf mid (and it's always ap tf at high levels) is that he's incredibly susceptible to ganks.  He's very strong with his ult and wave clear and stun.  But those 2 seconds he's in range, he can die.  Or even at tower.  The game that you missed where you thought CLG would beat Curse based on matchup had ap tf mid, and they exploited that weakness.  He was simply too squishy vs a Ryze and a jungle gank.  The only thing that makes him shine in mid is that if he isn't dealt with, he becomes a real terror.  He's actually a ban i see quite a bit. 

on Apr 22, 2012

fu hedgie u always say the same thing as me lol

on Apr 22, 2012

AD vs AP mid just depends on the matchup.  You can't take on Malzahar with most AD carries.  You get popped a couple times out of your range, get that health low enough for his combo, and poof, you're dead without ever really doing much.  Same deal with Annie, once she hits six, you have stuns galore with flaming bears of doom.

 

Kog can mid against just about anyone, a good Cait can stay out of range and poke more carefully.  It's got to be someone with reach, you have to wear them down far enough that their burst isn't going to kill you first.  The more reach the enemy has on their abilities, the more of a long range method to damage them you end up needing.

 

In Kog's case, it's a rare AP mid that can win the lane, because even when they win the race, you blow up in their face and kill them anyway.  It's not an optimal position though, unless you're up against one of the ones with no stuns or escapes that you can pretty much kill at will.  You'll spend less time dead at bot with a good support and get better farmed.  I almost always won the lane in normals with Kog, but it was never like having Veigar mid. 

on Apr 22, 2012

more examples of people being retarded in soloque even in 1800's.  Guy was completely serious and said it in champ select first as well as gg (not joking around).  Of course, he was the guy who failed and went 0/5/6 in the beginning.  STILL WAITING FOR ELO HEAVEN

on Apr 22, 2012

Been playing Blitz again.

 

Lots of fun causing havoc.

 

on Apr 22, 2012

confirmation, yet again, that koreans are better than us.

on Apr 22, 2012

Been on a support Blitz spree and it has only strengthened my belief that the support makes the AD carry. I have had competent AD carries in all of them (in most I was inhouse with the ad carry so haha) ,but my latest game was with a complete random and we synced incredibly well.

on Apr 22, 2012

Yeah, the good carries know it's their support that gets them fed too.  I've seen a few duds apologize for sucking and bringing their support down, but most of them just play the blame game.  The good ones almost always come with compliments on a well run lane and clutch saves.

 

Sadly, no matter how good you are as support, you can't turn a bad lane around without a good jungle.  It's when you get both that bot is truly doomed no matter what.  Managed to feed an observant mid a few times, but it's only a shot at saving the game, not the lane.

on Apr 22, 2012

It takes a really bad carry to have no chance of winning a blitz lane at any point imo. He just has so much he can do to guaruntee kills and clean get aways.

on Apr 23, 2012

Seen it happen.

 

Then again, I was the opposing support so that probably shouldn't be a sad face...

 

Blitz is death on stupid carries, but when you're actually intelligent(a rare trait some days) he's really not that hard on the lane.  A support that wards and keeps them from bush camping goes a long way towards keeping competent carries from getting trashed, turning the lane into a game of wear and tear with the lack of healing from Blitz being a determining factor in how things go.  When your carry keeps getting pecked down to half life or so without any real trade happening, not even Blitz can turn the inevitable engagement into a winning scenario.  He can survive it though.

on Apr 23, 2012

1st - a silly tip, but a useful 1.  If you have very little time to play and need to get your 1st win of the day, play 1 game of dominion vs ai.  The longest game I've played in dominion was about 16 minutes.  The shortest was about 7 min or so. Anyway, its the fastest possible way to get your 1st win of the day. 

2nd thing - I played about 4-5 games using twitch yesterday and won all but 1 of them.  While not always practical, I really, really like being able to go invisible and follow the enemy team around, etc.  Pretty sure I stole blue and red multiple times in every single game as twitch.  You can push your lane, then go invisible and wander around the jungle or look for a gank.  Plus I was running tp... + whoever you are a laning against is likely to be a bit more cautious and get a bit nervous if you are mia.  Anyway, my mid game with twitch is pretty sick.  My early game is capt farm.  Anyway, me likes.

 

on Apr 23, 2012

sigh, I started back playing zilean yesterday, and remember why he was the first champion I truly liked. Sadly I've lost a couple of games with him for the simple fact he's still a support character and unlike with cass or a lesser extent fiddles if my team is horrible whether it be a horrible team pick or the players themselves are just horrible, I can only do so much without my carry and or tank. Even than I've had games where we were completely dominating beginning and mid, but than end game was like WTF! Why are we scattered, we need to stick together, dont go alone majority of the time they are not alone!! Dude stop focusing on trying to get kills, its not the major dictator of a game.

 

One game I played my team and the opposing team were neck to neck in kills, and I make a joke like how I always do. Wasn't anything insulting towards the player or breaking any code, and this was after the ashe of the opposing team made a joke first. The katarina of the opposing team goes off yelling "dude shut up we are ahead of you in kills" I look at the kill count and see they got 1 kill over us. She was simply mad that I was dropping bombs on them all game, not to mention we maintained map control the whole game..until the end where my teammates as acting...well I better not say. We signal baron, no one goes baron. The teemo omg the teemo, I have no clue what language he spoke but he never helped at all!!!jst stayed in the bushes, even when team fights broke out right in front of him.

 

Another game we were losing simple from sheer... i better not say, and we had a evelynn who was just talking shit to everyone and basicslly killing left and right. She basically called everyone but me on the team a noob.  I mean better not have called me one, everyone left me a zilean to defend our bottom turret alone....from dr mundo and master yi...I mean yea that tower wasn't going down anytime soon, but my mana isn't fucking infinite. got what my first death when that tower fell, but still.

 

edit

also I learned my lesson about playing against cait as fiddles, and never again will i do it.

on Apr 23, 2012

confirmation, yet again, that koreans are better than us.

wait, pacovs american, since when?

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