man decided to work on my sej tonight in team builder... did not go well.  I was running some a meteos rune setup + masteries... and... I think my problem is that I'm not meteos. 

Here's what he runs:

Now - if you can remove the whole pacov is kind of smeh at jungle and does not have meteos level skill cap, thoughts on why the rune setup/mastery setup is bad for her?  Or is it acceptable and I'm just poo?  Its a max cooldown setup more or less.  You have 30% cdr with a blue at the start.... 20% cdr normally.  This means you can keep your w up a bunch.  BUT - then his build opts into what I would do on nunu - sightstone, etc.  See this link for that info: http://www.probuilds.net/guide/NA/1743162721/390600

i was playing at school... since my internet at home up to this point has been on average about 3kbs

I am hoping to be on more... however, at school i have a time limit... the campus closes at 10pm central time... so i can play until a game would start around 9 or later... but i've just been missing you guys so much.  i hope to be on more often.  sorry you missed out pacov, but you we had 5 before you got online... hopefully soon though.

but a big laugh to the last time i played before tonight was like december 20th.

i can agree with that statement...

That said, i do agree with Vi > Jarvan.

What Trick2g does is actually rush CDR boots on Sej, so you can have two early ults (in combination with flat CDR blues). That was before when you could swap enchants though...

Sadly, CDR just isn't that useful level 1 when you only have one ability. i generally prefer CDR/lvl, espiecially on janglers... But what is my opinion.

Bryff is still on the roster and he still plays League.  If you guys are super desperate to have an Irelia player I'd say it would be worthwhile to reach out and see if he wants to get some games in.

bryff seems to be fairly busy with school right now so I wouldn't count to much on seeing him around.

Sejauni:

Id consult with Boaz on this one since he has like a million sejauni games. Also Diamond played Sejauni yesturday for Gambit and did fairly well on her. Check out his build (actually gets sight stone).

Vi/j4:

J4 is still J4 but he is more susceptable to jungle invades (still fairly easy to escape invades with combo). I think Vi is slightly safe pick but they are about equal in strength and j4 gets a boost from being on a team with rumble/gnar or a team that needs disengage (ult->flash out->I just made a big wall).

glad to hear it, swan.

I'm curious as to how much of a hit j4 actually took on the last nerf (also... these patch change nerfs seem really... not thought out and half assed). My perception is still tier 1 top pick - it takes a bit for the hive mind to adapt.  I mean, it sounds pretty strong w/ regard to his jungle clears and even with the armor, he felt squishy early/mid if you miss an engage... but beyond that, the utility in his kit and ease of use still makes me think he's top tier/must pick ban.  Could be vi is stronger as a result though (and in some tiers - gold I think), she has a higher win rate than j4 last 2 days (diff of .4% or so - going on memory as I can't view that here). 

I don't think I'll be getting many tips from boaz re: sej.  I know he has a million games w/ her though - I just don't think he does much w/ regard to crafting, alt rune/mastery builds, etc.  He also only likes playing ap sej and this build is decidedly not that. 

cow - do you have any link to the build, etc for diamond's game?  I can prob find the vod, but runes/masteries prob not.

yah - catching mr bryff is hit and miss.  I've caught him a few times somewhat recently, but its few and far between. 

hedgie - trick2g though.  I love trying his stuff out from time to time, but its usually just some goofy crap.  If he's building the tanky jungle item that gives tenacity, then the cdr boots make ok sense.  I'm not sure how that pans out, what his whole build is, etc.  That said, my stint working on sej is probably not going to last super long, but I'm trying to polish up my jungle game a bit and am super rusty/bad.

Wouldn't Vi's be even easier though?

Ult their front line then EQ to back line?  EQ through front line then Ult to isolate back line?  Ult front line then EQ back to safety of team while your guys poke the fish in a barrel?  Ult to peel for your squishies?  Ult to trap their squishies?  Lots of decisions that have to be made very quickly.  Also, using your ult with terrain, best placement and positioning so you can get a second EQ on the first flag, etc etc.  Compared to a point and click single target ult on Vi?  I'm thinking that J4 has the higher skill ceiling.

@hedgie - I don't think so.  There's minimal wind up time for j4's combo for ganks/pick offs and its very difficult to miss the mechanical aspect (flag > grab flag = cake - flag >grab flag and cc someone = lower odds, but still pretty easy to do).  Vi's dash requires a charge.  Also the positional aspect of things - j4 ults, you take dmg immediately.  vi ults and depending on the setup, an adc or mid can reposition vi with flash + dash, etc.  There's no such mechanic with j4.  Vi's ult will cc unless zhyon'd (i think) and superior for that, but also only single target. 

so, more skill required on vi for proper use of her q (imo ofc) - wind up time + aiming properly.  j4- be in range, combo and you pretty much know you are going to land your cc (hard + slow).  It's just really easy with j4.

edit - right on mr thunder

Vi knocks up people en-route to her "R" target. It's just as "multitarget" as a J4's EQ combo. (in fact, a 4-man CC from a Vi ult in a chokepoint was one of the reasons we lost one of our ranked games).

Anyway, i think we both agree that Gnar + Jarven is a lot better than Gnar + Vi. i think that Vi has some very strong synergy with Assassins in the midlane (particularly in the assassins versus assassin matchup, since J4 might have a hard time hitting EQ against the more slippery assassins). At the moment, we haven't been playing many assassins midlane. If we starting doing so, that's a strong reason to play Vi.

nice volibear change on pbe

Volibear

• Frenzy (W) - New Effect: If Volibear bites a monster, Frenzy's cooldown is reduced by 50%

Zac

• Elastic Slingshot (E) now knocks back for 1 second up from .5 seconds

jungle item crazy town...

Bami's Cinder

• Total Cost: 1000g
• Recipe:  Ruby Crystal + 600g
• +300 Health
• UNIQUE Passive - Immolate: Deals 5 (+1 per champion level) magic damage per second to nearby enemies. Deals 50% bonus damage to minions and monsters.

Enchantment : Cinderhulk

• Recipe: [Bami's Cinder + Jungle Item + 350g]
• Total Cost: 2200g (Two of them currently say 2000 - intended cost is 2200 though.) 

• +350 Health
• +25% Bonus Health 
• UNIQUE Passive - Immolate: While in combat, deals 15 (+1 per champion level) magic damage a second to nearby enemies. This increases up to 100% based on time in combat.

 

Enchantment : Juggernaut

 

• Replaced with "Enchantment: Cinderhulk".

Sunfire Cape

• Recipe changed to [Bami's Cinder  + Chain Vest + 850g]
• Unique Passive now named "Immolate" - same as Bami's Cinder and Enchantment: Cinderhulk.

riot post on the jung item + gromp change

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/1zxfs9BA-tanks-on-fire-incoming-cinderhulk-gromp-changes

On J4:

J4 has already seen a fairly significant winrate drop this patch (at least a few percent).  Also, listen to people like SaintVicious on him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9OWmvsdZhM

He describes him as "nerfed into the ground" and "devastated" and says that "I don't even know if anybody is going to play him any more".  Now that might be going a little far IMO, but the point is that considering J4 a must ban in all cases is a bit out of line I would think.

ok so check out carry.gg. Some interesting info - only works on in game folks:

here's an example

Now, the noob stat stuff can be crap as its only counting the number of games played in ranked as champ.  The hot/cold streak, on the other hand.. VERY useful.  Also nice to see veteran info.  The cold streak means folks that are more likely to tilt if their lane goes poop.  The bad cs'er tag means this guy is trash at farming - which means he sucks mechanically or consistently goes for trades at the cost of cs.  Either way, useful intel.  I'll prob check this out when I do ranked next.  Interesting at any rate. 

Had 1 nice ranked game tonight with a 21,0 kda on support morg. We were up against a poo team, but it was a nice moral boost anyway

Cow is one of the best players I know but one of his main downfalls in my opinion is that he tilts himself in champ select.  Sucks that there is another website that will help him do that to himself.

As far as the CS thing goes, seems like there are lots of variables that can skew it pretty hard depending on such as who you play with.  I play most of my Irelias games with my Diamond friends so I'm a bad Cser as Irelia.  No wait, I play most of my Irelia games with my Bronze friends so I'm a godlike CSer with Irelia?

Also, if someone's playing a Vayne for instance who should always be a little behind in CS if they're going against an evenly skilled lane, will it label them as a Bad CSer?

Enjoy the intel but I think I'm personally better off going into the game without it.